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		<title>By: Jeffrey W</title>
		<link>http://thefoxisblack.com/2008/11/04/no-on-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-42052</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Penny, 

If your argument were to hold true then the estimated 10% of infertile couples should have their marriage licenses and their rights revoked as well.  Also, historically the definition and laws surrounding marriage have been altered while adapting to the needs of our society. For example, the obligatory marriage of man to his brother&#039;s widow was removed in Ancient Israel. The very institution of marriage was founded in Ancient Rome and were mere civil agreements.  

The definition that you present is a mere regulation of sexuality from the church.  In order to encourage procreation which helps the spread of their race and species, they changed the definition of marriage in order to encourage strictly pro-creative marital sex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Penny, </p>
<p>If your argument were to hold true then the estimated 10% of infertile couples should have their marriage licenses and their rights revoked as well.  Also, historically the definition and laws surrounding marriage have been altered while adapting to the needs of our society. For example, the obligatory marriage of man to his brother&#8217;s widow was removed in Ancient Israel. The very institution of marriage was founded in Ancient Rome and were mere civil agreements.  </p>
<p>The definition that you present is a mere regulation of sexuality from the church.  In order to encourage procreation which helps the spread of their race and species, they changed the definition of marriage in order to encourage strictly pro-creative marital sex.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
		<link>http://thefoxisblack.com/2008/11/04/no-on-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-42002</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Procreation has absolutely nothing to do with marriage, you&#039;re an idiot. I want to have children, be it through a surrogate mother or adopting a child who needs a good family. Why don&#039;t I fall into that same category?

Because of close minded people like you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Procreation has absolutely nothing to do with marriage, you&#8217;re an idiot. I want to have children, be it through a surrogate mother or adopting a child who needs a good family. Why don&#8217;t I fall into that same category?</p>
<p>Because of close minded people like you.</p>
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		<title>By: penny lee</title>
		<link>http://thefoxisblack.com/2008/11/04/no-on-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-41972</link>
		<dc:creator>penny lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sanctity of marriage is the sanctity of an institutionalized contract or a bond between a man and woman. They enter and accept that contract knowingly and willfully.

We can simply call that love and that love is a choice and the act to give yourself as a gift, free from all pretenses, to another person. The other person does the same for you too. It&#039;s natural but it requires a lot of virtues, primarily humility and patience, to make it work. 

We get that in relationships of course. The only difference is that in marriage, the couple is bound to stay together through thick and thin forever and all that (This is another issue why some countries haven&#039;t legalized divorce yet). And so they make love and in the sweetest manner, we call them children (or a child). Then the couple raise their family, and the children grow up, they become part of a community, of the society, of the nation, they become a citizen. This growth in the family is still considered an act of love because it requires a great deal of self-sacrifice. So that explains why marriage is sacred. And although we could still get these things from relationships, married couples have more privileges in the laws because of the amount of responsibility imposed on them.

That being said, the purpose of marriage then is to &quot;procreate.&quot; Procreation builds and sustains a civilization--a civilization primarily built by love, abstraction and objectivity, otherwise known as, principles. The members of the civilization build laws out of these very principles. So it&#039;s only logical to say that laws should protect the natural institutions, such as marriage, and the rights of the people to be able use them for their growth as persons. 

Now, just because some people were able to get married while bastardizing the meaning and defeating the purpose of marriage doesn&#039;t necessarily mean that marriage is like exactly the way these people made it look like.

There, I explained why I&#039;m (apparently) agreeing with the Prop 8. I didn&#039;t even preach Jesus&#039; name. Lol. Anyway, I guess this where I should end my uhh... term paper. So uhmm.. thanks for the space Bobby. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sanctity of marriage is the sanctity of an institutionalized contract or a bond between a man and woman. They enter and accept that contract knowingly and willfully.</p>
<p>We can simply call that love and that love is a choice and the act to give yourself as a gift, free from all pretenses, to another person. The other person does the same for you too. It&#8217;s natural but it requires a lot of virtues, primarily humility and patience, to make it work. </p>
<p>We get that in relationships of course. The only difference is that in marriage, the couple is bound to stay together through thick and thin forever and all that (This is another issue why some countries haven&#8217;t legalized divorce yet). And so they make love and in the sweetest manner, we call them children (or a child). Then the couple raise their family, and the children grow up, they become part of a community, of the society, of the nation, they become a citizen. This growth in the family is still considered an act of love because it requires a great deal of self-sacrifice. So that explains why marriage is sacred. And although we could still get these things from relationships, married couples have more privileges in the laws because of the amount of responsibility imposed on them.</p>
<p>That being said, the purpose of marriage then is to &#8220;procreate.&#8221; Procreation builds and sustains a civilization&#8211;a civilization primarily built by love, abstraction and objectivity, otherwise known as, principles. The members of the civilization build laws out of these very principles. So it&#8217;s only logical to say that laws should protect the natural institutions, such as marriage, and the rights of the people to be able use them for their growth as persons. </p>
<p>Now, just because some people were able to get married while bastardizing the meaning and defeating the purpose of marriage doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that marriage is like exactly the way these people made it look like.</p>
<p>There, I explained why I&#8217;m (apparently) agreeing with the Prop 8. I didn&#8217;t even preach Jesus&#8217; name. Lol. Anyway, I guess this where I should end my uhh&#8230; term paper. So uhmm.. thanks for the space Bobby. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Wise</title>
		<link>http://thefoxisblack.com/2008/11/04/no-on-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-41913</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Wise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I&#039;ve been reading these comments since you first posted the entry and it really makes me sad to read some of the things people are saying.

1.  Would it really be such an awful place if schools were teaching tolerance in our schools?

2.  If marriage is such a religious institution, why is the state regulating it?  If you want &quot;marriage&quot; to stay religious then let&#039;s only recognize civil unions at the state level.  That way everyone will be afforded the same equal right.  (And for the record civil unions and marriage are not equal!)Under the law now, any citizen is able to enter a contract with any other consenting citizen.  Marriage IS a state-regulated contract, thus everyone should be able to enter into said contract.  But because of the need to &quot;protect marriage&quot; conservatives have stripped us of these rights.  

3.  What the fuck does it matter to you?!  Why do you care?!  You don&#039;t have to accept what I do...i don&#039;t care, just don&#039;t impeded on my rights!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I&#8217;ve been reading these comments since you first posted the entry and it really makes me sad to read some of the things people are saying.</p>
<p>1.  Would it really be such an awful place if schools were teaching tolerance in our schools?</p>
<p>2.  If marriage is such a religious institution, why is the state regulating it?  If you want &#8220;marriage&#8221; to stay religious then let&#8217;s only recognize civil unions at the state level.  That way everyone will be afforded the same equal right.  (And for the record civil unions and marriage are not equal!)Under the law now, any citizen is able to enter a contract with any other consenting citizen.  Marriage IS a state-regulated contract, thus everyone should be able to enter into said contract.  But because of the need to &#8220;protect marriage&#8221; conservatives have stripped us of these rights.  </p>
<p>3.  What the fuck does it matter to you?!  Why do you care?!  You don&#8217;t have to accept what I do&#8230;i don&#8217;t care, just don&#8217;t impeded on my rights!</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
		<link>http://thefoxisblack.com/2008/11/04/no-on-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-41773</link>
		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 04:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If marriage is all about Christianity, why is it practiced in just about every culture around the world? If marriage was all about religion then atheist couldn&#039;t get married. Marriage is simply a legal contract. I&#039;m so sick of hearing hypocritical people bringing up religion anytime it best suits their interests. Hating other people because they are different from you is not &quot;Christian&quot; it&#039;s pure ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If marriage is all about Christianity, why is it practiced in just about every culture around the world? If marriage was all about religion then atheist couldn&#8217;t get married. Marriage is simply a legal contract. I&#8217;m so sick of hearing hypocritical people bringing up religion anytime it best suits their interests. Hating other people because they are different from you is not &#8220;Christian&#8221; it&#8217;s pure ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett</title>
		<link>http://thefoxisblack.com/2008/11/04/no-on-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-41758</link>
		<dc:creator>Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 00:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marcelo - marriage is a religious thing since the beginning of time?!  Shit, forgot the marriage scene in &quot;2001,&quot; and I must have skimmed over the part where Adam and Eve exchanged vows.  

It&#039;s a word, a word that in this state keeps homosexual couples from having the same rights as hetero ones.  You&#039;re telling me - all of you are for Prop 8 - can be fans of this blog, and this guy - talented, passionate, and driven as he is - and say, &quot;Mmm, that&#039;s nice, but I&#039;m still not ok with you enjoying the same rights and happiness as me.&quot;  FUCK YOU.  I want to fight you, in a not-even-joking kind of way.  Any of you, all of you AT ONCE.  I will Hulk out - come on down to LA and try me.

And as an added bonus, a little newsflash for you selfish, close-minded pricks?  Some of the MAJOR funding for Prop 8 came from a shithead named Howard Ahmanson Jr.  This guy&#039;s ultimate goal is the total intigration of biblical law into our lives, and his politics are derived from one Mr. RJ Rushdoony, religious nutjob extraordinaire (and thankfully, very dead).  Rushdoony believed that homosexuals should be stoned to death.  How do you feel about that?  Your proposition is paid for by a guy who wants Bobby stoned - to death.  FUCK YOU.  Oh yeah - he&#039;s also for stoning anyone who engages in oral sex, cause it&#039;s not very bibl-y. So unless you lead a very boring life, that means you should be dead too.

Use your mind, do some research, and wake up.  Or fight me, I don&#039;t care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcelo &#8211; marriage is a religious thing since the beginning of time?!  Shit, forgot the marriage scene in &#8220;2001,&#8221; and I must have skimmed over the part where Adam and Eve exchanged vows.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a word, a word that in this state keeps homosexual couples from having the same rights as hetero ones.  You&#8217;re telling me &#8211; all of you are for Prop 8 &#8211; can be fans of this blog, and this guy &#8211; talented, passionate, and driven as he is &#8211; and say, &#8220;Mmm, that&#8217;s nice, but I&#8217;m still not ok with you enjoying the same rights and happiness as me.&#8221;  FUCK YOU.  I want to fight you, in a not-even-joking kind of way.  Any of you, all of you AT ONCE.  I will Hulk out &#8211; come on down to LA and try me.</p>
<p>And as an added bonus, a little newsflash for you selfish, close-minded pricks?  Some of the MAJOR funding for Prop 8 came from a shithead named Howard Ahmanson Jr.  This guy&#8217;s ultimate goal is the total intigration of biblical law into our lives, and his politics are derived from one Mr. RJ Rushdoony, religious nutjob extraordinaire (and thankfully, very dead).  Rushdoony believed that homosexuals should be stoned to death.  How do you feel about that?  Your proposition is paid for by a guy who wants Bobby stoned &#8211; to death.  FUCK YOU.  Oh yeah &#8211; he&#8217;s also for stoning anyone who engages in oral sex, cause it&#8217;s not very bibl-y. So unless you lead a very boring life, that means you should be dead too.</p>
<p>Use your mind, do some research, and wake up.  Or fight me, I don&#8217;t care.</p>
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		<title>By: le dude</title>
		<link>http://thefoxisblack.com/2008/11/04/no-on-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-41756</link>
		<dc:creator>le dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 23:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am suprised here that people do not talk about the issue behind the american ballot system, this is the problem here, not the actual subject of the prop !

When only 40% of the voting population decides by less than a 5% margin on a proposition that required 75 million $ of lobby money, you cannot call any of this democracy. Especially when the proposition is presented ina negation format, a removal format and included complete dissinformation (such as religious marriage versus right to live equally as a couple and homosexuality lessons in school). That is one sad day for Americans.

Now the shocker, it appears that an increase in the latino, asian and black community has flipped the numbers. Let&#039;s face it, culturaly, homosexuality is less adopted in more religous communities. This is not about conservatism, if it were, proposition about abortion declaration would have gone through easy but it was defeated, oddly, there is a noted rate of abortion within certain less open communities... Truly, the ballot system is about plotician not wanting to lead, not wanting to decide for the good of all as opposed to a few.

If my fuur depended on money and the decision of 40% of the voting population on a 5% margin, I&#039;d get the fuck out of this individualist society... then again I am Canadian so...

NB Proud dad of 4 kids who can&#039;t believe that prop 8 won...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am suprised here that people do not talk about the issue behind the american ballot system, this is the problem here, not the actual subject of the prop !</p>
<p>When only 40% of the voting population decides by less than a 5% margin on a proposition that required 75 million $ of lobby money, you cannot call any of this democracy. Especially when the proposition is presented ina negation format, a removal format and included complete dissinformation (such as religious marriage versus right to live equally as a couple and homosexuality lessons in school). That is one sad day for Americans.</p>
<p>Now the shocker, it appears that an increase in the latino, asian and black community has flipped the numbers. Let&#8217;s face it, culturaly, homosexuality is less adopted in more religous communities. This is not about conservatism, if it were, proposition about abortion declaration would have gone through easy but it was defeated, oddly, there is a noted rate of abortion within certain less open communities&#8230; Truly, the ballot system is about plotician not wanting to lead, not wanting to decide for the good of all as opposed to a few.</p>
<p>If my fuur depended on money and the decision of 40% of the voting population on a 5% margin, I&#8217;d get the fuck out of this individualist society&#8230; then again I am Canadian so&#8230;</p>
<p>NB Proud dad of 4 kids who can&#8217;t believe that prop 8 won&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alicia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alicia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to apologize for the stupidity of Californians this year for passing Prop 8.  I personally voted against and know many who feel the same as you do.  I would like to say that I hope that we can do better in the future, and that I sincerely apologize that your rights are being compromised by the ignorance of the masses.

So sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to apologize for the stupidity of Californians this year for passing Prop 8.  I personally voted against and know many who feel the same as you do.  I would like to say that I hope that we can do better in the future, and that I sincerely apologize that your rights are being compromised by the ignorance of the masses.</p>
<p>So sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Siong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the reasons why I am exceptionally proud of being a Canadian. Live and let live - your kids are not going to grow up gay simply because they know about it. It is also completely unrealistic to shelter your child from realities of life. They will learn about it one way or another. It also isn&#039;t that difficult to broach the subject when asked. Tabula rasa; children do not naturally learn to hate/discriminate against another person simply due to sexuality or skin colour - that is taught by the parents/peers and influenced by the environment.

Live and let live. 

It happens in nature. There is even an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nrm.se/en/menu/visitthemuseum/exhibitions/rainbowanimals.6876_en.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;exhibition going on in Oslo about homosexuality in the animal kingdom&lt;/a&gt;. It is well-documented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the reasons why I am exceptionally proud of being a Canadian. Live and let live &#8211; your kids are not going to grow up gay simply because they know about it. It is also completely unrealistic to shelter your child from realities of life. They will learn about it one way or another. It also isn&#8217;t that difficult to broach the subject when asked. Tabula rasa; children do not naturally learn to hate/discriminate against another person simply due to sexuality or skin colour &#8211; that is taught by the parents/peers and influenced by the environment.</p>
<p>Live and let live. </p>
<p>It happens in nature. There is even an <a href="http://www.nrm.se/en/menu/visitthemuseum/exhibitions/rainbowanimals.6876_en.html" rel="nofollow">exhibition going on in Oslo about homosexuality in the animal kingdom</a>. It is well-documented.</p>
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		<title>By: Michaela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michaela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you raised some very important, perfectly logical points Bobby. And frankly, I see no strength in arguments to the contrary.

We don&#039;t even have legalised gay marriage here in Australia! I very much hope for all you Californians that proposition 8 is not passed, as if it were, it&#039;d definitely be a step backwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you raised some very important, perfectly logical points Bobby. And frankly, I see no strength in arguments to the contrary.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t even have legalised gay marriage here in Australia! I very much hope for all you Californians that proposition 8 is not passed, as if it were, it&#8217;d definitely be a step backwards.</p>
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